{"id":18341,"date":"2022-02-18T09:24:53","date_gmt":"2022-02-18T08:24:53","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.munich-business-school.de\/insights\/?p=18341"},"modified":"2023-06-26T16:31:07","modified_gmt":"2023-06-26T14:31:07","slug":"professional-sport-and-studying-interview-with-mbs-students-lucas-kroeger-heiner-laengst-and-maximilian-maas-part-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.munich-business-school.de\/insights\/en\/2022\/professional-sport-and-studying-interview-with-mbs-students-lucas-kroeger-heiner-laengst-and-maximilian-maas-part-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Professional Sport and Studying \u2013 Interview with MBS Students Lucas Kr\u00f6ger, Heiner L\u00e4ngst and Maximilian Maas (Part 2)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

In the second interview episode, (former) professional athletes Lucas Kr\u00f6ger, Heiner L\u00e4ngst and Max(imilian) Maas talk about the lessons, experiences and competencies they take away from professional sport and how they can use them for their careers after sport. In addition, the master’s students reflect on their decision to study International Business<\/a> and Sports Business and Communications<\/a> at Munich Business School and take a look at their professional and sporting future.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Note: The interview was originally recorded as a podcast. This text is a transcription and translation of the audio recording. The audio version of the interview (only available in German) can be listened to here<\/a>. <\/pre>\n\n\n\n
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Wiebke Lehnert: Well, here we are for the second MBS podcast episode on the topic of professional sport and studying \u2013 welcome, everyone! I\u2019m Wiebke Lehnert, Marketing & Communications Manager at Munich Business School, and today I\u2019m sitting down again with MBS students Lucas, Heiner and Max. In the last episode, the trio shed light on the field of elite sport and gave us an insight into the world of professional athletes. They shared a selection of their wide-ranging experiences with us and I\u2019d like to touch on that again in this episode before moving on to discussing studying and professional careers. Max, could you tell us something specific that professional sport has taught you? Are there any experiences you look back on now and apply to your journey after sport?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Max Maas: Sure. I think that, when you decide to become a professional athlete, you grow up very quickly. I was 14 when I said to my parents: \u201cMom, Dad, I want to go to the ski boarding school, I want to leave home, I want to live my dream.\u201d That certainly isn\u2019t easy for parents to deal with and, from that point on, you\u2019re on your own to a degree. Of course, I was always able to rely on my parents being there for me at any time, day or night \u2013 and I still can. If I ever have questions, they\u2019re there for me. But you\u2019re living away from home, at a boarding school; you\u2019re living your dream, but you grow up and become independent very quickly. A lot of people might not see that as a good thing, but I think it\u2019s a good thing if, at the age of just 14, you\u2019re already very independent and grow up quickly in pursuit of your goals. That\u2019s definitely something very positive for me. You learn to handle things well and develop self-management and time-management because you have different highlights over the course of a year and you need to be perfectly prepared at all times. For my part, I know that if I have an exam or a paper to submit, I\u2019m the type of person who will be prepared well in advance. Professional sport, all the traveling it involves and the various climaxes it entails mean that I\u2019ve learned to organize myself and my time very well, so I\u2019m extremely well prepared when the time comes. I\u2019ve talked about this with my classmates at MBS, too. I submitted a paper really, really early and they were asking: \u201cHey, how did you manage that?\u201d But then, thanks to professional sport, I can say that I don\u2019t need any pressure to prepare myself for something. I\u2019d rather finish something two weeks early and then take another look at it again just before the deadline but, as a professional athlete, I didn\u2019t have time do something for uni right up to the deadline. It just wasn\u2019t an option. I had to plan clearly and precisely when I would have time \u2013 and then make good use of it. And it\u2019s true that you can learn effectively without pressure, but from professional sport I also know that I work well under pressure. In fact, this pressure can even be really fun, and that\u2019s also something that I learned from professional sport. You get to know yourself very well; you know what\u2019s on the line and you can use all these individual building blocks. I\u2019m also aware that we\u2019re at a different point in time now \u2013 it\u2019s great that we were successful, very successful in what we did out there on the pistes, but this isn\u2019t that time anymore. On paper, the fact that I can ski quickly doesn\u2019t do anything to help me or my ambitions to make progress in a given management field. However, I can pick out various points from my career that taught me something: \u201cMax, you know how you work best, so use it.\u201d And so, on that basis, I can prepare myself as effectively as possible for the second stage, the stage that\u2019s coming up next, and give my best in order to meet my goals. <\/p>\n\n\n\n
Wiebke Lehnert: Okay, and what about you two, do you have anything to add?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Heiner L\u00e4ngst: I think Max put it very well. Professional sport teaches resilience, often through very hard lessons. But I think it\u2019s also important to point out that you still have to make the most of it. You have to reflect on things. You have to look reflectively at your experiences during your time as an active athlete and consider how they can actually help you in your life in a company. If you don\u2019t go about things reflectively, then I think you\u2019d find it difficult to extract the benefits. And, as Max has already said, there are so, so many advantages that an elite sportsperson can bring to bear in a company. Resilience, working under pressure, setting targets, these are the ABCs of mental training \u2013 and that\u2019s second nature to us. In my opinion, that can represent real added value. But, as I said, as an athlete you need to be conscious of those things. And just because a person was an elite sportsperson doesn\u2019t mean that they\u2019ll make this transfer. The challenge is to translate the benefits of sport into your professional career after sport. And so that\u2019s where you need to look at things reflectively \u2013 and I\u2019d say that, by doing so, you can make a lot more from the symbiosis of sport and business.<\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n
Lucas Kr\u00f6ger: I agree with Heiner completely. You can take a lot from sport, professional sport, elite sport \u2013 an awful lot \u2013 but just because you\u2019ve been there and done it doesn\u2019t mean that you\u2019ll automatically extract maximum benefit. Instead, you have to work through it and reflect on your experiences, as you so eloquently put it. I\u2019ve been packing what you said there into a sort of image. I think that this target image and setting targets, whether short, medium or long-term targets, and then working to achieve them \u2013 it provides a guideline. It allows you to work towards a certain objective or specific career goals, which you can then put into the context of working in a company. And there are a lot of factors that come into play. As Max has already said, that includes organization, coordinating all your deadlines and submission dates, and then having the discipline to actually make it all happen. Something that I\u2019ve learned to do is to go beyond your target. I think that, in the world of elite sport, you learn to train beyond a target, to exceed a target. And I think that\u2019s another very unique thing that separates an elite athlete from an amateur. Personally, with my background in a team sport, I\u2019ve also been able to learn a lot about teamwork, trusting in your colleagues, trusting in the team. We\u2019ve got a nice saying in handball: \u2018A defense is only as strong as its weakest link\u2019. That\u2019s universally applicable, in a way. It means that you have to find a way to strengthen your weakest point because otherwise it becomes the opponent\u2019s main point of attack. That\u2019s what I think, anyway.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Heiner L\u00e4ngst: I think that\u2019s another good point that I\u2019d just like to pick up on \u2013 and I think I need to go to bat for ski sports a little. You could certainly accuse us of being egocentric solo athletes that only look out for ourselves. But \u2013 and I\u2019m speaking for myself but also for Max as my former teammate \u2013 in skiing, when the day comes and you\u2019re on your own, when you just have to get down the course as fast you can, the only way you can succeed is when you\u2019ve completed your preparation as part of a functioning team in which you support one another, motivate one another and, in doing so, always drive each other on to perform that little bit better. That\u2019s what makes a successful winter. And it also produces successful solo athletes. I think it\u2019s a good point that sport in general can teach you to adopt a team-focused mindset \u2013 but also how to get your elbows out when necessary.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Lucas Kr\u00f6ger: Exactly. Sorry, I didn\u2019t mean to imply anything about solo athletes! (laughs)<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Heiner L\u00e4ngst: No, don\u2019t worry, you didn\u2019t.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Max Maas: No, not at all.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Heiner L\u00e4ngst: I just thought it was a good opportunity to score a point! (laughs)<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Max Maas: I would even go so far as to say that, when you\u2019re traveling around together for 200 days per year, you grow together and become a family where you\u2019re really there for each other if someone\u2019s not doing so well. You become an unbelievably strong team and really help to lift each other up. You have to be intelligent in how you approach things. For some people, things can start to go backwards when you\u2019re traveling around with the team \u2013 but, for my part, I have to say that my teammates remain my closest friends and, once you know how, you can really lift each other up. If one of my teammates wins, I\u2019ll know that I\u2019ve beaten him in training at some point, so I can reach that level. The best example of this is the Norwegians. They\u2019re such a unit. They drive each other on so much that, the second someone gets injured and drops out, they can call on a youngster and bring him into their circle, include him in this sort of Viking family \u2013 and, even in a solo sport, they become so unbelievably integrated into the team. And that\u2019s essential, because otherwise you\u2019ll grow lonely when you\u2019re on the road for over 200 days per year. <\/p>\n\n\n\n
Lucas Kr\u00f6ger: Absolutely. It\u2019s the same for the Norwegian handballers. I just wanted to add that it\u2019s not long since I went back to my old club to commentate on a game. While I was there, I realized that I also have great connections with the team around the team. I mean, for example, the physio, who is immensely important for us \u2013 as is probably also the case in ski sports \u2013 just like the coach and everyone else involved. Spectators often completely lose sight of the fact that this team around the team plays a much larger role than you might realize.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Wiebke Lehnert: That\u2019s certainly a lot of different experiences, and they\u2019ll help you \u2013 especially being connected to others and the ability to work in a team. I think that they\u2019re skills that can definitely stand you in good stead, especially in a world where we\u2019re moving increasingly close together and becoming more fine-meshed and interconnected. And, despite everything else and your love of sport \u2013 which is something you all share and will never lose \u2013 it\u2019s also evident that professional sport and elite sport isn\u2019t the be-all and end-all for you. You need to have another string to your bow ready for the end of your sporting career, when it inevitably arrives. I\u2019d be interested to hear how you feel MBS can help you in that regard and what tips you would offer to sportspeople and athletes who are also thinking about their life after professional sport. Max, what advice would you give?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Max Maas: Well, I think I can speak for Heiner and myself. Ski sports \u2013 and in particular the disciplines we specialized in, downhill and Super G \u2013 are extremely dangerous. So, you soon realize just how quick a career in this sport can be over, you have to see that. If you fall or get injured, your career can be over in an instant. Both Heiner and I have had the experience of how quickly it can all be over and, as a professional sportsperson, you\u2019re at a point where all your foundations are taken from beneath you. You\u2019re injured, sitting at home unable to do anything, and when you wake up in the morning you\u2019re just waiting for another day to pass because you\u2019re unable to pursue your passion. It was a very significant experience for me. Being able to experience something like that meant that I said to myself: \u201cHey, you need to find something else besides skiing. You can see just how fast it can all be over.\u201d To my mind, academic education is important in this respect because, as you\u2019ve rightly said, eventually every professional sports career comes to an end with age. So, I set myself the goal of finding a vocation for myself outside of skiing, something I wanted to pursue and to which I could commit myself completely. And, for me, there were just logical steps of how to do this: I finished my bachelor\u2019s degree as quickly as possible while I was still a professional athlete. Then, looking at the portfolio of courses on offer, I wanted to find the very best one for me and then follow that path to find my next calling, something that would allow me to realize my potential, in which I could work to surpass myself. When I decided to pursue a bachelor’s degree alongside professional sport, there were only a handful of universities where that was actually possible. For my master’s, I then had what you might call the \u201cluxury version\u201d, in that I had the ability to decide where I wanted to go. I opted for MBS so that I could incorporate sports and, yeah, it was certainly a very different situation. My sporting career was over but I just wanted to keep going. So I guess I realized at a very early stage, even when I was still active as a pro athlete: \u201cHey, this professional stuff after sports, you need to give 100% to that as well if you want to achieve anything in the field.\u201d And so, as far as I\u2019m concerned, I know that I want to find my next vocation, the right field for me, and I\u2019d say I\u2019ve equipped myself as well as I can to do just that. <\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n
Lucas Kr\u00f6ger: Good point. I think that the support, teaching and help that MBS can provide after a sports career is very much present in Max\u2019s course, Sports Business and Communications<\/a>. MBS has an enormous network. I know a few handballers who have also gone down the sports management route simply because they wanted to keep sport at the heart of their lives. Things are a little different for me, but there\u2019s a lot I can take from the International Business program<\/a> at MBS. The teaching staff provide a lot of different ideas and motivation. The same goes for the course curriculums and the MBS network, of course. What I found so extraordinary was the internationality of MBS. Of course, MBS is always near the top of the rankings when it comes to internationality. That was a decisive factor for me because, in my head, it was like a golden thread that I wanted and still want to follow above all else. But it all depends on individuals and personalities. Everyone has their own interests and different ideas about what life will look like after a sports career. The offering from MBS is pretty good.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Wiebke Lehnert: Okay. So, to finish off, I\u2019d like to ask you to briefly look to the future. My question is: Where do you see yourselves in 10 years and what role will sport play in your life at that point? Will it be part of your professional life or more of a private thing? What do you think, Heiner?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Heiner L\u00e4ngst: Where do I see myself in 10 years? That\u2019s a really good question. It\u2019s a question I\u2019ve been asked a lot in the past as well \u2013 but it was always in the context of where I saw my future in sporting terms. Now, of course, sport is no longer a big part of my life in that respect. Despite that, I still love sport and keeping myself fit and healthy. Nevertheless, I\u2019d still give exactly the same answer as I did back then. It\u2019s true that, by growing up in my family home, I was given a lot of opportunities to do sport. So, my goal \u2013 as I move into a professional career after sport \u2013 is to enable my children and my family to enjoy at least the same opportunities as I did in my childhood. That means doing any sport they want, trying things out, and having a certain degree of independence and freedom. That\u2019s my goal; it\u2019s the reason behind everything I do. And that\u2019s also my answer to the question of where I see myself in 10 years. I see myself being able to put a big tick beside that goal.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Max Maas: Well, as the second skier here, I\u2019ll go next. Whenever anyone asks me what I miss most about being a professional skier, I always say: \u201cI miss the racing.\u201d. You\u2019re doing something you\u2019re actually a bit scared of, but still… Take, for example, standing in the start house in Kitzb\u00fchel. Everyone\u2019s scared but, as soon as the gate opens in front of you, the timing starts, you still chase the clock like there\u2019s no tomorrow. That\u2019s something I miss. But I think that this pressure, this need to deliver, that\u2019s something I can find to some extent in the working world, in business. And, to answer your question about where I see myself in 10 years, I\u2019m looking forward to putting myself in high-pressure situations and facing up to major challenges in the next few years and being forced to handle them. I need situations that challenge me and help me to advance. Situations I can build on. That allow me to show what I can do. I would certainly like to stay connected to sport and, as I\u2019ve already said, continue to include it in my professional life but perhaps moving more towards business \u2013 by combining sport, finance and business more closely. I think that, in the next 10 years, I\u2019ll definitely face challenges that will give me that kick again and will allow to feel a certain amount of fear and pressure \u2013 just like in the start house in Kitzb\u00fchel. I\u2019m looking forward to that. And, of course, as Heiner said, there\u2019s nothing better than sport. You can do it alone, you can do it with your family, your can do it with friends… And, as Heiner also said, I just want to give my children the chance to do the same and try out any sport they want, because I know first-hand how much sport can give you and how great it is. That\u2019s something I want to give back to society \u2013 whether it\u2019s my children or my friends. Just saying: \u201cHey, let\u2019s do X, Y and Z together, give it a go.\u201d There are plenty of downs, of course \u2013 but looking back on my career, the negatives are definitely outweighed by the positives I enjoyed in sport. Thankfully, I\u2019ll be able to take that positivity with me into the next chapter in my life. <\/p>\n\n\n\n
Lucas Kr\u00f6ger: Well, for me \u2013 and I know I\u2019ve said it a few times already \u2013 my aspirations still lie in pursuing an international career and moving forward with that, so I\u2019d like to think I would still be doing so in 10 years. That\u2019s my big goal, really. When it comes to sport, I\u2019m lucky that in my position, goalkeeper, you can still play when you\u2019re 40 and even reach your golden years around then. That means that I\u2019ve still got my best years ahead of me, in a way! (laughs) So I\u2019ll definitely still be aiming high and involved in sport. It\u2019s a big part of my life and it always will be. And the framework created for me by older teammates when I was younger \u2013 that\u2019s something I can pass on to the younger ones when I\u2019m older. There\u2019s always a sort of generational exchange within the club, with each generation surpassing the one before it and opening up new opportunities for the generations that follow.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Wiebke Lehnert: They all sound like wonderful goals and I\u2019d like to wish you every success in achieving them! Well, all that\u2019s left for me to say is thank you for your fascinating insights into the world of sport and sharing things I\u2019m sure many of us perhaps didn\u2019t know. It\u2019s been so much fun talking with you. I hope that our listeners out there have enjoyed it just as much. So, that\u2019s goodbye from me \u2013 until next time! <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Lucas Kr\u00f6ger: Yes, thank you, too!<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Max Maas: Thank you.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Lucas Kr\u00f6ger: Ciao, ciao!<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Heiner: Thank you, ciao!<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Missed the first episode? Then catch up quickly and learn more about the reconciliation of professional sport and studying: Click here<\/a> for the first interview with Lucas, Heiner and Max!<\/pre>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"
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